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Tuesday, October 08, 2002
 
Note to readers: this post gets complicated. The central injustice of the Alistair Scott/ Mohammed Hudaib case, consisting of the very different treatment meted out by the courts to the two parties in a furious row following September 11, remains unaltered. Read the black print to understand that. There were, however, two confusions, successively sorted out, in the way I reported it. The Thursday evening changes are marked in red; the Friday changes in blue. I could have just edited the lot, but in the end I decided it was more honest, albeit confusing, to leave in all my clarifications and retractions. Here's the post Andrew Sullivan's readers came to see:


Two versions of one story.

Here's an interesting example of self-censorship. I'm having trouble linking to back numbers the Telegraph, and I am intermittently refusing on principle to link to the Times. So I am going to print out two little stories in full. Don't worry, they are brief. And interesting.

Here is the Times version of the story:

[FIRST UPDATE: No it isn't the Times version, it just puports to be. I was wrong! A website called the FAIR Daily News Digest published the version that follows, describing it as the work of the Times's Simon de Bruxelles, but leaving out crucial facts that he included. See further info at the base of this post.]

[LATER UPDATE: There were actually two stories, both by Simon de Bruxelles, both reported by FAIR's Daily News Digest. The second gave a much fairer picture of the case than the first.]


By Simon de Bruxelles

A FORMER teacher who verbally attacked three Muslims has become the first person to be convicted under new laws that outlaw religious hatred.

Alistair Scott, 33, accosted the strangers in the street and began arguing about the involvement of Islam in the September 11 attacks in the US.

Scott admitted religiously aggravated threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour against Hend Abdulrah Jolo, Saad Abdul Aziz Alaoudah and Mohammed Hudaid in Exeter last month.

The case was adjourned for a special hearing because Scott disputes the details of the prosecution case.

Magistrates decided yesterday to hear both sides of the story from witnesses at a future hearing.

Jeremy Shute, for the prosecution, told the court: “According to witnesses the defendant showed an apparent deep hatred of Muslims.

“There was a conversation which became heated and he said ‘I hate you and I want you out of my country. I hate you especially after September 11’.” Jeremy Wickham, for the defence, said the court would need to hear from witnesses if it felt it could not reconcile the two versions of events.

Scott, an engineering graduate who is in the process of setting up his own guitar business, said that he went “over the top” and fears he may go to prison.

However, he insists he is not a racist and that his argument is with the sort of fundamentalism that leads to terror attacks.

“I was trying to explain what I thought was wrong about Islam and they thought I was telling them that all Muslims are terrorists. I did not want to insult or abuse them, it is just that I think their religion is flawed. I accept now that I was making a judgment on the basis of what people look like.”

The Home Office and the Crown Prosecution Service believe that he is the first person to be convicted under the Government’s Anti-Terrorism Crime and Security Act which came into force last December. Section 5 of the Act makes it an offence to incite religious hatred.



And here is the way the Telegraph tells it. Spot the highly relevant fact that does not appear in the Times version. [Or, rather, in the what seemed to be the Times version. See below.] [Correct to "...in the earlier Times version."]

Daily Telegraph London 4 10 02


Neighbour convicted of religious abuse


By Richard Saville

AN ENGINEER was convicted yesterday of religiously abusive behaviour after insulting a Muslim neighbour who hailed September 11 as a "great day", praised Osama bin Laden as a "great man", and thought all Americans "deserved to die".

Alistair Scott, 33, is believed to be the first person to be found guilty of the new offence designed to outlaw religious hatred.

He was charged under the Government's Anti-Terrorism Crime and Security Act, which came into force last December.

The prosecution at Exeter magistrates' court claimed that Scott told Mohammed Hudiah he hated Muslims because of the September 11 attacks, and threatened his family, However, Mr Hudaib, a Postgraduate student at Exeter University , acknowledged under cross-examination that he "could have said Osama bin Laden was a great man and that all Americans deserved to die and are stupid".

Sean Brunton defending said: "However wrong Scott was and whatever he said or did, it pales by comparison to what Mr Hudaib said in his cross-examination

"This defendant is not a racist. His crime is to have strong convictions and to have taken people to task in an inappropriate way at a very sensitive time."

In July, Scott admitted using religiously aggravated, threatening, abusive, or insulting behaviour towards Mr Hudaib and two other Muslims in Exeter. The maximum sentence is seven years imprisonment. Sentencing
has been adjourned.


The new "religious hatred" law is an outrage. The history of free speech in this country is the history of winning the freedom to argue about religion. I could have sworn this obnoxious clause had been dropped, after widespread criticism. Apparently I was wrong.

And almost as frightening is the cowardice of the Times. [I withdraw this, obviously] Mr Scott seems to have been browbeaten into swallowing the progressive establishment line and doing a spot of humble self-criticism, in the good old Chinese style of thirty years ago. If he does have any spirit left he ought to sue the Times [Er, once again, not the Times; whoever wrote that story] [Possibly that should be marked "STET". Or possibly not. I'm running out of colours.] for making him look like a nutter when he isn't.

And since the Department of Public Prosecutions are so hot on prosecuting hatred and bigotry, let me point out an example to them. Here's hatred and bigotry:

Mr Hudaib, a Postgraduate student at Exeter University , acknowledged under cross-examination that he "could have said Osama bin Laden was a great man and that all Americans deserved to die and are stupid".
Will the DPP be on the case? I don't think so.

UPDATE: All my comments on the unfairness of the treatment of Mr Scott vis à vis Mr Hudaid stand. But, please note, I was unfair to the Times. The account of the case available at Times Online includes all relevant facts. I apologise to Simon de Bruxelles, the Times author, for suggesting it didn't. Mea culpa, but the story of how I came to screw up is interesting in itself... Read on.

When I first read about this story on the Libertarian Alliance Forum, I did a Google search for the names involved. I found the story as I first printed it, word for word, at a site called the Daily News Digest. It's given the byline "Simon de Bruxelles - The Times." So I thought, not unaturally, that that was what it said in the story by Simon de Bruxelles in the Times. Only it's not. Isn't that weird? Some unknown hand has edited out all the aspects that make Mr Hudaid look bad and mitigate Mr Scott's admittedly unruly behaviour.

I should have checked. Of course I should. It wouldn't have been hard to do. I usually do click the link, but for some reason this time I didn't. If you'd asked me five minutes later where I'd seen the story, I'd have blithely said, "Why, in the Times, of course." I'm very sorry I didn't check, only I do offer as a mitigating factor that the Daily News Digest did make it easy for me to make that particular mistake, if you know what I mean.

How do the two compare? Mr Bruxelles' version of the story begins:

A MAN who had an argument in the street with a supporter of Osama bin Laden became the first person to be convicted under new laws on religious hatred yesterday.

Magistrates in Exeter were told that Alistair Scott, 33, was arrested after an argument with his Arab-born neighbour, Muhammad Hudaib, who was said to have shouted that bin Laden was great, September 11 was a great day, all Americans deserved to die and called him a “Zionist pigf****r”.

Compare that to the Daily News Digest version - still credited, remember, to Simon de Bruxelles and The Times:
A FORMER teacher who verbally attacked three Muslims has become the first person to be convicted under new laws that outlaw religious hatred.

Alistair Scott, 33, accosted the strangers in the street and began arguing about the involvement of Islam in the September 11 attacks in the US.



So who are these Digest guys? The website describes itself thus:

"The Daily News Digest reviews the main electronic news media for items relating to British Muslims at home and abroad, Britain’s ethnic minorities, and stories which have a bearing on the image of Islam in general in the media. FAIR is not affiliated to any political or religious organisation, and does not necessarily endorse the views reflected in the items reproduced in the Daily News Digest. "
I can't help thinking that their readers would get a more accurate perception of the image of Islam in the media if the stories found there were left as the Digest found them, or clearly marked as edited - and not just edited for brevity, either.

ADDED LATER: There were two stories, one much fuller and fairer than the other. Both are now up on the Digest website.

Thanks, not for the first time, to Layman's Logic for being the most attentive reader anyone could wish for. Puts me to shame.

I have e-mailed the editor of the Daily News Digest to ask why the Digest's version of the story and the Times's version are so different.

YET ANOTHER UPDATE: The next day, Friday 11th Oct, FAIR did get back to me - with a perfectly reasonable explanation:

"Simon de Bruxelles in the Times covered this story twice, once on the 27th of July, and again on the 4th of October. Both stories were picked up in our News Digest and are archived online on our website. See below for further details.

"I hope this clears up any confusion. We have, as of yesterday, begun to date our stories."
FAIR's editor also supplied two sets of hyperlinks. I've posted his full reply plus links here.

As I've said on that post, everybody - FAIR, The Times - comes out of it well. Except me.

Oh, and the makers and enforcers of the law that put Scott in the dock and left Hudaib out of it. Both in the dock or neither, preferably neither.








Wednesday, October 09, 2002
 
Chris Bertram of Junius is slightly sceptical, and wonders whether there might have been sarcasm involved. As it happens I was finally publishing Richard Littlejohn's take on the case which includes the "Zionist pigf****er" angle at the instant Chris sent me his e-mail. (I thought I had published it last night, but unfortunately I was once more a victim of that refusal-to-publish Blogger bug.) So Chris Bertram's view of the incident does not include the ZP-word, which is not one easily used sarcastically. Follow the link for his views.

He quotes a most useful account from the local press, which sorts out the question of whether the three Muslims in the case were or were not neighbours of Scott. Two weren't, one was. On the other hand the question of spelling the last-named man's name is right back on the agenda: the Express & Echo has "Hudaid" not "Hudaib".

I quite agree that the account of such a fracas that appears in court is likely to differ from what really happened as memory fades and policemen, officials and lawyers of every degree of competence and goodwill try to make messy real life fit into neat artificial categories. I also acknowledge, in fairness to Mr Hudaib/Hudaid, that in a furious row it is easy to end up saying what one does not really mean. But boil away all the froth and you are still left with a residue of stark imbalance in the treatment of the two sides.



Tuesday, October 08, 2002
 
Apologies to all who sent me e-mails and haven't yet had a reply. Had a headache most of the day, didn't want to go on computer, felt a little better, checked e-mail, read about Scott / Hudaid (Hudaib? Accounts vary as to the spelling) case in Libertarian Alliance Forum, exploded into spitting rage, posted it in spirit of cleansing fury, calmed down once action taken, headache again.